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The Nurses’ Station: Would You Give Up Your Seat?

Last Updated 4 02, 2012


By: Susan Kieffer

nurses' stationIf you have been a nurse for any length of time, you know how precious the seats at the nurses’ station really are. These seats are a rare commodity; one to be cherished and guarded once you snag one. It is also true that the coveted chair can be very revealing regarding the professionalism of the person occupying it.

         

I will pose to you a question that I recently asked a class of students: registered nurses who are taking their first course in their journey to their bachelor’s degree and are studying the art of professional nursing. Many of them have been practicing nurses for 20 years or more. Here is my question to them: “As a professional courtesy, would you willingly and gladly give up your chair at the nurses’ station to a... to a... wait for it... a doctor? How about a doctor who was nasty to you a few minutes ago? Would you give up your chair for this person? In response to this question, you would have thought I had asked if they would wear their pajamas to work! It would be an unthinkable assault to their personal pride! In fairness, there were many who said that they definitely would offer their chair as a professional courtesy, but most said they would absolutely not give up their chair to a physician. In fact, many were shocked that I would even ask such a question. After all, it is a known fact that we as nurses are in a constant battle to earn respect in our profession, and unfortunately, they say, it is the physicians who are greatly responsible for any lack of respect that we receive. The majority of the students explained by saying that the doctors do not show them any respect, so why should they show them any courtesy? Others say that they feel like they arenurses' station constantly having to try to prove themselves as equal in importance to the physicians and so they feel like giving up their chair would show a sign of subservience or weakness. One student summed it up by stating, “The doctors think they are so much better than me. Giving up my chair would just explode their egos even more. I need to show that I am not impressed by them.”

         

Why do I use a scenario such as this in class when it inflames emotions so drastically? Here’s my reason. In my years as a nurse I have noticed a startling lack of civility and respect among health care workers, and not just between doctors and nurses either. The doctors disrespect the nurses who then berate the nursing assistants who, in turn, are short with the patients. We are mistreated, so therefore, we mistreat others. I specifically remember one nurse with whom I worked who was also a former Certified Nursing Assistant (CNA). When she was a CNA she commented over and over about how she couldn’t stand the disrespectful way that the nurses spoke to her. However, after she became a nurse herself, I saw her talking quite rudely to a CNA. I confronted her about it, asking why she would talk to a CNA like that when she resented such treatment when she was a CNA herself. Her answer? “I took it when I was a CNA... now it’s my turn to dish it out.” Is that it? Must we really beat someone down in order to feel better about ourselves? Where does it stop? Do you think that maybe it should stop with us? If we can show respect to others, perhaps we will be respected in return.

         

Back to the seat at the nurses’ station and my students...  I use this example because the chair at the nurses’ station is so symbolic of what we have achieved and can be one of our prized possessions at work. So, here is the point that I wanted to make with my students and will do so here as well: I believe that giving up that chair to the doctor shows the utmost in professionalism, courtesy, and confidence. I always envision Florence Nightingale as the most professional of nurses, and I honestly do not think she would have a problem giving up her chair. Was Florence a doormat? Was she subservient? I think not! I think that Florence was confident enough in her practice and knowledge that she had nothing to prove to anyone, and certainly not by being discourteous. Perhaps true professionalism possesses enough self control and restraint to show kindness and courtesy toward those who maybe do not deserve it. nurses' station

         

Can we not be confident enough in our abilities and our practices that we do not feel like we have to prove ourselves by remaining seated while the physician stands? If a nurse gives up his or her chair at the nursing station to a physician, maybe even the very doctor who was disrespectful a few minutes ago, I believe that it shows that the nurse’s professionalism is a notch above the norm. It’s like taking the high road in the midst of mistreatment. Such professionalism could go a very long way in increasing the respect given to us in the health care community. Who knows... maybe our example will eventually lead to a physician offering his or her chair to US! Wouldn’t that be something? I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one, but in the meantime, we can be the trendsetters in the realm of professional courtesy. And to me, an attitude of servanthood is true professionalism, and I think Florence would agree!

 

Nurses, would you give up your seat?  Please leave a comment below sharingg your thoughts. 

 

About the Author: Susan Kieffer, RN, MSN/Ed., is a fulltime faculty member with the Kaplan University School of Nursing online.  Her current position involves orienting and training new faculty members in their transition to online education.  She is a busy pastor’s wife, worship leader, a mother of two, a grandmother of six, and pet owner of a Great Dane, Pomeranian, a Himalayan cat, a snake, and other multiple critters.  She is currently pursuing her Ph.D. in E-Commerce.

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Recent Comments (there are 27 comments)

I've been a nurse for 25yrs. I have no problem giving up my seat at the nurse's station but I'd be more likely to give it up to a nursing student or case manager then to a doctor. Doctor's usually have a designated area but tend to gravitate to the center of action...hmmm...is there a hidden message there? Anyway, it all comes down to a matter of respect. I'd be much more likely to give up my seat to someone who showed respect than someone who was rude and self centered.

Posted By: Tony T on 3 24, 2011

I find a seat in a nurse's station a luxury. Nursing is not much of how he/she sits. It is an ATTITUDE, a harmonious relationship with superiors, colleague, subordinates, and mostly, the people that nursing caters to. Human beings. well and sick, rich and poor, black and white, all as one image. No one owns a seat in nursing.

Posted By: Manuel F on 3 23, 2011
As said by the one nurse, I would give up my seat in the "NURSES STATION", because I am confident in my self as a professional. I would also tell anyone that is disrespectful, that I will not stand for treatment like that. I don't take it from my family, I am surely not going to take it from some doctor. I have respect for physicians, but show them more respect when it is shown to me. I deserve it as much as they do. And your right, they love to be in the middle of the action. So if you want them in their own area, just send some nurses over there. They will move to be near the action. LOL
Posted By: Laura L on 3 28, 2011
Perhaps I'm fortunate to work someplace with too many chairs; it's more about access to computer workstations. Even then, it's "preferred station" vs. "acceptable station." Much of what has been described is lateral violence, hazing, or other abuse. It isn't acceptable and should never be tolerated. Not from anyone; not to anyone.
Posted By: Damon G on 3 27, 2011
I hear EVERYTHING you're saying, understand it and see it all too well. I would gladly give up my seat without hesitation to anyone who isn't rude and disrepectful to me. As for others, it usually comes with a snide remark from me. Also doctors have their OWN lounge with we as nurses are NEVER allowed to go in their, not only take up a seat but to also log onto a computer and chart?! I think they would test me for drug, alcohol and mental instability on the job that day!!!
Posted By: Nathalie G on 3 31, 2011
I wouldn't and here's why. I tend to work 12 hr shifts. I sit down for maybe 1% of the shift and when I'm sitting, it's because I'm either a) trying to chart or b) trying to eat... neither of which EVER happen uninterrupted. If I'm sitting, chances are I'll be up within 5 minutes anyway and then someone will swoop in and steal my seat/computer anyway. On my floor, Residents have no shortage of computers. All the services have their own areas/call rooms/offices that have plenty of seats and computers. Nurses NEVER go near those areas yet we're supposed to give up our seats/computers (of which there aren't even enough for the NURSES) for them? Not to mention, during the day there are almost always nursing students, social work, social work students, case management and others around sharing our space.
Posted By: Nurse K on 4 07, 2011
I have been a nurse for 17 years. New nurses today in general do not show respect for each other much less for doctors.I have always given up my seat for a doctor and I have always been well respected by the doctors over the years because I show them respect, even the rude ones. I have worked for doctors over the past several years and have always been paid a very generous amount. I think it is out of line for someone not to offer his/her seat to a physician that is tresating a pt when he/her may have other very sick and demanding pts/family plus an office full of pts waiting when you probably have plenty of other time to chart. And maybe the reason the doc didn't go in the "doctor's room" was because (1)someone is in there (2)no progress notes (3)knows will have to track down lab/radiology reports (4)knows will have to ask nurse question about pt because actual pertinent info not charted---don't give a hoot about... eyes close, resting quietly.
Posted By: Christy T on 4 10, 2011
via NurseTogether Facebook page:I would give up my seat to anyone who needs it if the purpose is patient related and if I don't need the seat at the moment to look up a lab value or to chart. Giving up my chair doesn't mean that I'm less of a person it just means that I'm taking a higher road especially if the doc was mean to me.
Posted By: Rachelle A on 4 11, 2011
Very thought provoking, Susan. I would have a small disagreement with you, however, I would actually "offer" my seat instead of simply give it up. Maybe just a technicality, but it is a big difference. By offering my seat, I am showing civility, but I agree with others, I would not "give up" my seat out of being subservient. It is a polite thing to do--and it is also circumstantial. If I have been on my feet for hours and I am in the middle of something important, I would not simply get up because a doctor is present. I would not expect anything more or less from others as well.
Posted By: WellRouNded on 7 28, 2011
Hi, I like some of the other nurses who posted, have been in the field for quite a while, over 32 years. I have seen many changes, unfortunately one I have not seen enough of, is professionalism and civility between all of the disciplines. It seems we all want to eat our young. I see it in housekeeping, nurses aides, LPN's, RN's, PA's, MD's, etc. We could all top to think next time, what might make my patient or the other patients stay better, instead of "what about me"? As to the question, would I give up a seat at the nurses station? If I was not using the computer, and did not need the work space, and another person did, I would willingly get up and allow someone else, including an MD to take it. Even if he had been rude earlier. He may have had to just tell someone that they were only going to live a few months, etc. Lets be nicer to each other, I think that is the bottom line. Steph
Posted By: Stephanie K on 8 03, 2011
I have been a nurse for 39 years and I was never taught to give up my seat to a doctor but it was something I learned when I got into nursing. No I would not give up my seat to a doctor just because he is a doctor he has to earn my respect. I think nurses deserve the respect and we are owe the respect because of all the bull we have taken in the past just because they are doctors. If you have a good nurse you just might have a good doctor, we teach them. Love the my NURSES.
Posted By: Carolyn H on 8 03, 2011
Yes, I give up my chair to a Dr. But These days, even the Cna's sit where the Dr. dictates, & have to be asked to move. Students come early, & sit @ Nsg desk during end of shift charting, looking over their drug cards,etc., when other chairs are available! I consider this extremely more disrecpectful!
Posted By: Y'vonne B on 8 03, 2011
I would absolutely give up my seat to a doctor. I have been an RN for 23yrs and feel that if you give respect you get it back. Doctors are usually in the nurses station a short time and we are there 8hrs or more! It shows the doctors that we respect them and they in turn remember that!
Posted By: Tracey C on 8 02, 2011
There is little else I find more disrespectful as a charge nurse than to have to squat with a clip board to take report because a nursing student doesn't have enough sense to stand up and offer a seat to someone who has worked all day or faces a long day of work. It also makes me very angry when a student doesn't allow computer access to a doctor. It insures that the doctor will spew off verbal orders because they couldn't get to a computer when the student is looking up labs from 1972 to satisfy some paper project. Along with giving up a seat, I am sick and tired of student nurses who chew gum, have piercings and tatoo's showing, inject nonsense into report and carry their cell phone during a work shift. I have no problem showing a doctor or a nurse respect by giving up my seat but there should never be a professional nurse who can't have a seat to give report when every other seat is filled by a subordinate or a student. Doctors deserve our respect. It is an earned and esteemed accomplishment. We are not equal.
Posted By: Deborah K on 8 02, 2011
I was a student nurse when it was mandatory to give up a seat to a doctor. I found most were embarrassed to see me jump up and offer my seat. Would I do that today? Probably. I'm not in that situation but work in are area of mutual respect between the doctors and the nursing staff. I can't say the respect is always there for other disciplines but our docs respect nurses.
Posted By: Linda B on 8 02, 2011
The fact that so many people are disrespectful toward one another, regardless of profession, surprises me no more than the poor English and grammar I see in articles and comments. Our professional environments have become places where the attitude of "whatever" prevails. I would not hire or allow myself to be cared for by a person who has a "whatever" attitude. It matters; grammar and the way we treat one another. There is no word in the dictionary with the spelling of alot, and one can not disrespect someone. One can be shown disrespect or show another disrespect but one can not be disrespected or disrespect another!
Posted By: Debrah S on 8 01, 2011
When I started as a newbie in 1980,we were expected to give up seats for senior nurses,and doctors.We were called by our last names.It was like being in the military.We were also subjected to sexual harrassment at times. It seems to me that up until the 1990s there was some emphasis on professionalism. Now the only nurses I see who are respected have advanced practice degrees.In direct care favoritism runs rampant and nurses are the first ones to cause misery to each other.I have been disciplined for expecting accountability and performance from those working with me.Talecarriers,gossips, and slackers and their poor attitudes and work performance are protected. Bullying is the order of the day,from supervisors,coworkers, and some doctors,the art of nursing is expected,taken for granted and ignored when convenient.I hope to see some improvement before I retire,it seems doubtful that this will occur. Nursing has flung its doors open wide to anyone who wants to make a living,not the best and brightest,or even those who are called and have a natural talent for caregiving with intelligence, creativity compassion and sensibility.
Posted By: Cel S on 8 05, 2011
I have and will continue to give up my seat at the nurses station for any of my co workers if they need it. CNA, Doctors, Psychologist, Psychiatrist and our ward clerk are common to see around our nursing area. We have an incredibly excellent staff and disrespect is not tolerated in any manner. The doctors and so forth are expected to be polite and proffessional and so is nursing staff. I have one of the best nurse managers there is and if she over hears an rude behavior, she is not afraid to reprimand anyone. I have a great job with great harmony and I suddenly realized how lucky I am truely to not have to deal with rude doctors or other disciplines
Posted By: Amanda S on 8 07, 2011
Do you think doctors ever have discussions like this?
Posted By: Kathy O on 9 17, 2011
oh let me add a few nurses need to get out of the chair and go give care i hate lazy nurses.
Posted By: kelly t on 10 23, 2011
Yers ago Nurses would stand any time a Doc would come close.But no I do not do that but I do respect them due to there position. I may or may not respect them as a person that depends on how they act.Just like everybody they put there pants on just like me. But I know Docs have it busy and maybe more so then I so yeah I let them sit in my chair get it done so they can move on.I am a male so in general my point is I respect them for the title but they have to earn my respect as a person.If a female Doc comes in to my area I give my chair to any female.
Posted By: kelly t on 10 23, 2011
If my work is done at my seat the the nurses station I would offer it to anyone than needs it. I teach LPN students and ask them to remain standing during report and let staff have the seats. We need to be courteous of one another.
Posted By: Sue P on 1 01, 2012
I am fine with giving up my seat if I am not actively charting or in the process of something but what do you do when your manager comes and makes you get out of your seat when you are in the middle of charting to give the seat to a Dr.?
Posted By: Jane D on 1 17, 2012
By the way, it's called a nurses station for a reason. We must complete our tasks, communication via charting, and up-dates on our PTs. in order to have continunity of care. It's not a matter of "guarding your chair just to sit".
Posted By: Roberta F on 2 17, 2012
When I sit it is only to complete my computer charting. If I gave up my chair I would never be able to keep up my pace to complete accurate charting and notes on PTs. that need to be passed on. Otherwise, I am with Pts. They are why I am there. Communication with others comes as needed and on lunches avaible. By the way, because I choose to concentrate on my PTS, I appear to be unsociable and was fired while orientating by nurses puting down false comments on my paperwork, a nurse for 20 yrs at that time.
Posted By: Roberta F on 2 17, 2012
If someone is sitting at the nursing station and is not working and the physcian comes in and needs to work, ie: in a patients chart, etc. yes, by all means, get up. Even, if he/she has been disrespectful, dont bring yourself down to their level. Besides, if we keep them in the nurses station, they are easier to find when we need them.
Posted By: OneSweetnurse on 4 07, 2012
Please see my response on my blog, Those Emergency Blues: http://torontoemerg.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/on-your-feet-nurse-the-doctors-here/
Posted By: TorontoEmerg on 4 10, 2012
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